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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Oct 16, 2012 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: bummer: Phil Lesh fist-pump gets censored by Major League Baseball

I do not disagree with the facts of the matter or the comments about how the anthem is being sung. I have confessed to blowing off some steam. Here's a few more facts that matter to me.

Major League Baseball is a legal monopoly that the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld several times. Since the 1990s, the building of new sports stadiums has increasingly relied on taxpayer funds. These tax subsidies are coming from local communities. It has increased from just a few million dollars in tax exemptions per stadium to the "corporate welfare" system we have today, in the hundreds of millions of dollars per stadium. Team owners now effectively hold cities and states under siege by threatening to move their teams, creating bidding wars to get as much government money as possible.

All U.S. Taxpayers pay enormous subsidies to MLB team owners. This happens during flyovers at MLB games whenever they're using military aircraft, flown by military pilots, maintained by military personnel, all paid for by U.S. Taxpayers.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 16, 2012 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: bummer: Phil Lesh fist-pump gets censored by Major League Baseball

Hey, Tex,
I agree with this statement:

"Since the 1990s, the building of new sports stadiums has increasingly relied on taxpayer funds. These tax subsidies are coming from local communities. It has increased from just a few million dollars in tax exemptions per stadium to the "corporate welfare" system we have today, in the hundreds of millions of dollars per stadium. Team owners now effectively hold cities and states under siege by threatening to move their teams, creating bidding wars to get as much government money as possible."

From what I have read in the business press, when looking at just the numbers, most of these stadium deals do turn out POORLY for the cities. I would be curious if anyone knows of a city where this was not true.

On the other hand, I think there are some intagibles associated with having a team in your city/state, (or, in the case of the NFL and NY, having people believe that certain team are from your area even if they actually share a stadium in another state.) Why does the Angels baseball team want to be from L.A. but the Texans football team doesn't want to be from Houston?



I disagree with your next statement, Pardner:

"All U.S. Taxpayers pay enormous subsidies to MLB team owners. This happens during flyovers at MLB games whenever they're using military aircraft, flown by military pilots, maintained by military personnel, all paid for by U.S. Taxpayers. "

I think fly-overs are marketing efforts for the Armed Forces. Do you think they are going to show video clips on the Jumbotron(c) of bored soldiers eating MREs and scrounging for wipies in the desert while being shelled? Hell, no. Jets are sexy and airborne personnel landing in the middle of the field are even sexier.
Personally, I don't think many people get a pilot's license that didn't dream of flying as a kid.

As the twig is bent, so grows the tree,
Judge TOOTMO